Levy override overruled

By Bill Hafer/Daily Sun staff writer
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2008 - 09:57:53 am CDT

WYMORE - Wymore Southern Public Schools patrons voted down a proposed property tax levy override on Tuesday.

The final tally was 318 against and 277 for the override, which would have given the district the authority to levy up to 30 cents above the state’s general fund levy lid of $1.05 for five years. About 32 percent of registered voters in the district turned out for the special election.

Now, Southern Superintendent Michael Shimeall said, school officials will begin looking at cuts.

“We asked for a choice on the part of the patrons and the choice was for us to cut services and programs, so that’s what we’ll have to do,” he said.

Shimeall said the district asked for the override, in part, because of LB988, the new state finance law for education. The bill requires school districts to keep their total levy to $1.20, including exclusions from the general fund lid. Southern’s levy last year was $1.42.

Exclusions from the lid included 4.5 cents for the special building fund, 4 cents for the capital purpose fund, 14 cents for an insurance bond and 25 cents for a bond fund, including about 11 cents approved by the voters for building additions in 1999.

With some of the bond funds grandfathered in, the district will have to cut the levy to $1.30.

Shimeall said the district will begin to look at possible cuts immediately as it works to put together its budget. Cuts that require reducing staff will have to wait until next year because schools must announce intentions to cut staff by April 15.

“We might have to do a resolution to borrow money to get through the year,” Shimeall said.

Some of the possible cuts on the table include:

n Eliminate or cut back on busing to and from school.

n Change to a four-day school week.

n Eliminate the summer Jump Start Program.

n Reduce the number of paraprofessional positions.

n Share a superintendent with another district.

n Eliminate a position at the elementary school.

n Eliminate the community counselors program.

n Eliminate or reduce academic programs, including physical education, family and consumer science, business, shop, fine arts, math, science and language arts.

n Eliminate field trips.

n Eliminate or reduce athletic programs.

Also on Tuesday, Malcolm area residents voted down a request to issue $8.3 million in school bonds to renovate and add on to existing school facilities in the northern Lancaster County school district.

The bonds would have paid for elementary and middle school classroom additions to allow for three sections per grade, a high school fine arts classroom, an update of the Westfall Elementary heating and air conditioning system, moving the Westfall office and expanding its cafeteria.

Malcolm voters turned down the bond issue 379-225, according to unofficial results.

Lee Enterprises contributed to this report.

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Disappointed
Sep 10, 2008 10:16 AM
I am really disappointed at the outcome. The children are the ones that are going to suffer. I think some understood it was going to raise taxes. If you read it was not going to raise them. Just extend the levy already in place.
Southern voter
Sep 10, 2008 11:37 AM
I hope the district will now seriously consider cut backs. Do they really need to eliminate programs or just cut the "fat" from all services/activities/programs? We have all had to make adjustments in our daily life activities and if you haven't, good for you! It sounds good to say you cut this and you already cut that but look what you may have added, that is what the public sees. They may not know where the money came from, they just know "it" wasn't needed or the money could have been spent elsewhere. It's time the school board considers what the patrons see...get out there now and talk with your board members and board members talk with your patrons. Don't wait for a special election to learn what is going on and don't wait for a special election to inform us what may happen! This didn't happen overnight! Communicate and make us proud of our schools.
pck
Sep 10, 2008 11:51 AM
might as well eliminate the school with that long list
Sep 10, 2008 1:19 PM
I would imagine Beatrice won't have a decline in enrollment next year. The cuts in programs at Wymore might be what gives parents a push to opt their children out.
concerned citizen
Sep 10, 2008 2:05 PM
The School Board needs to eliminate alot of waste at Southern by cutting Schimeall's $120,000 plus a year salary and his wifes made up job, which costs the tax payers an additional $50,000 plus a year. Why cut busing, maybe the bus drivers should stop driving the busses home in the morning and at lunch time like its their personal vehicle, fuel is not cheap. Why are we paying freshman Priniciples $72,000 a year? Would they really be Principles in a larger shcool district? I doubt it. Maybe its time the Southern School Board and the administration thinks about the children instead of their personal wallets.
southern mom
Sep 10, 2008 2:45 PM
When talking to current and past students of Southern schools, they are quick to point out that there are a number of "made- up" or "do nothing" positions within the school. Why does a district the size of Southern need 2 so-called IT positions, or librarians and paras in the libraries. Why does the superintendent's spouse have a job as a condition of his employment. Why is there a newly created "Assistant to the Superintendent" position? Why are we approving pay raises out of one side of our mouths and then asking for more tax money out of the other? It is time to put the students first, for a change. If we were to eliminate the excess "fat" then there would be no need to cut programs or athletics. The current threats of cutting busing and teachers or paras should be a last resort, after the excess has been eliminated. It is time for the board and superintendent to stand up and take responsibility for the waste and abuse that they have precipitated for years.
ES
Sep 10, 2008 4:17 PM
Very sad and embarrassing that a community does not want to invest in such an important asset as it’s school system. I have completely lost my respect for the Wymore community and its residents for being so blind and dare I say “ignorant.”
Southern parent
Sep 10, 2008 5:47 PM
I voted no, they forget our property values went up and they are getting more money for that. why can't we share a superintendent, or principal, why can't we charge for sports, or busing for sports, why is busing to and from school listed first, scare tactic. Getting kids to school should be always available. I'm sure parents would be glad to pay for thier children to go out for sports or on field trips. I think the teachers and all staff could pay for part of thier health ins. the rest of us do. and if they don't think they are making enough for this area, please post thier wages in the newspaper so we can see how under paid they are for this area.
CS
Sep 10, 2008 6:54 PM
You are joking, right? I graduated from there in 95, and still follow what goes on. You sound as whiny as some of the people here in Lincoln, except that when you talk about 'fat' you have no idea. You don't have a 200,000 + a year superintendent, plus a tribe of principals and asst. principals to pay for down there. And, just in case you missed it, the override would have cost less then what the current levy already was. I still own property there even though I live and work in Lincoln so I know what the tax burden is. It's nothing like up here-congratulations, you've pretty much shut the school down. Not every kid that come out of Southern is a raging genius, in case you didn't notice, and so sports may be it for them. Well, lookie lookie, its on the list of possible cuts, along with music and other extra curricular activities that AREN'T sports, but what's new. We couldn't possibly need those programs, I mean all they do is allow the other section of the student body that isn't made up of jocks to have something to do that just might pay for college for them, too. A 4 day week is just going to strain your already underpaid teachers to try and meet basic minimums so the kids can graduate, but since it will be crammed into less time they won't be as prepared as others with a 5 day week. Say hello to the ACT/SAT-and good luck with that.
Southern School Supporter
Sep 10, 2008 7:06 PM
Do those who voted "no" to the levy have the students welfare in mind. No matter what is cut, it will affect the student. Education is the future, the student is the future. Without education America would not have any future. I say any amount of increase that increases the betterment of the school should be voted "yes". When our schools lose good teachers because of cuts the next thing will be the closing of the schools and then the town. Someone give me one good reason cuts should be made.
Community Member
Sep 11, 2008 8:19 AM
Wow...how very sad some of our patrons believe we need cuts in our schools. I know that our school has made many cuts in the past few years. I also know that to gain many of our programs that we currently have, our school has had to apply for many grants in order to use some of these programs. I believe everyone in our community should be proud of our school right now. If you took the time to see some changes made by the new reading program: scores and the number of better readers, the work done by our counseling program, etc. you would see that our school is doing whats best to improve what they can with as little as possible! As a patron, if you are interested in what the school is doing it is all public knowledge all you have to do is ask!
Our children in the community are the number one priority and the best education should be a priority to every community member!!
The one thing that bothers me most I guess is the amount taxpayers would have been paying extra on a $100,000 home would have been $4.16 per month. In my opinion that amount is worth paying if its going to better our children's education.
another southern MOM
Sep 11, 2008 12:40 PM
These are scare tactics. There is no need whatsoever for the art program, the home-ec programs, or the vocational programs to be cut. We've all seen what the high school principal in Beatrice makes (just got a nice raise, in fact) and I was shocked to see that Southern's principal makes very close to that figure. Why??? With so few students, that's just a joke. And Dr. Shimeall, while I feel you do a good job, there's no reason for that kind of salary for you either.

As for asking families to pay for sports & other activities -- WE ALREADY DO! When my son couldn't get football pads that fit or a mouthpiece that would work, guess who bought them? Who pays at the door to see all those games -- the parents do. Who has to chip in for food for the teams before the games (even though they're still starving afterwards) -- we have to. Who buys books of plays for the drama kids to look through when they need new scripts -- who rummages through the attic for props -- who bakes for bake sales and tailgates and cake auctions? The parents do all these things and more! We've done enough!
taxed to the max
Sep 11, 2008 12:42 PM
Perhaps someone needs to point out here that our property values have all increased, our community approved a $2 million swimming pool measure, and we (Wymore)already had the highest tax burden in Gage county. How much is enough? I don't have enough money to put groceries on the table and gas in the tank, so to me, the idea that the school district should do with what it already has is logical. We all have to do that on a daily basis, we don't have to option to borrow money or increase income at the drop of a hat.
CS
Sep 11, 2008 1:54 PM
You probably need two IT people to, gee, I don't know, support the infrastructure of computers, laptops, and palm pilots in the schools. You need them to train users-do you think that just because someone can check their email or go on MySpace that they are proficient? Never mind the wear and tear the machines probably experience through use, abuse, the installation and/or download of unauthorized or unvetted software tools, games, or other nuisances. It can take me 2 hours to clean a computer up for a user-and that's optimistic because you can't just run Adaware or Spybot and call it good. I charge 60.00 an hour for my work outside of work-your IT people are probably a bargain compared to having to hire out for the same job. The librarians were the ones that trained us to use the computers in 1990-1995. Some of that may no longer be necessary, but not everyone has a computer at their house, or access to one. Para's work with all the kids that have parents that done care, or can't help them with their homework, and all sorts of other things that Southern has struggled with for years. They don't make enough money for all the work they do raising everyone else's kids.
CS
Sep 11, 2008 2:00 PM
I would like to know why the school has so many para's. When I was in school there was no such thing and if there were extra hands, they were volunteers.....
Also what is this about the superintendents wife has a job as a condition of his employment. Open our eyes people, if he doesn't want to be here for the school move on. It seems another district did that and they are surviving just fine.
Wymore Grad
Sep 11, 2008 3:51 PM
I don't think the public understands many aspects of what is going on. First, the school has already made several cuts that are straining the current staff (where are the additions that an earlier poster mentions?). Second, every teacher across the country has insurance in their benefits package. Without it at Southern, there would be NO TEACHERS! It is a simple fact. Third, yes administrator's salaries are high. They have also continued their education to earn this position and wage-- which brings on a lot of responsibility & burden. Do they deserve their current salaries? I do not know, but would like to see what similar sized school districts pay. The general rule for school boards is try to be comparable to similar sized schools. (Although I'm not sure any school our size has a Supt. that makes what ours does.) The bottom line is that the override was a minimal price to pay to ensure our schools offer adequate programs for our kids.
Patron
Sep 11, 2008 4:54 PM
Now that the patrons of Southern Schools have spoken it is time for the school board and administration to become fiscally responsible instead of having an open check book. I find it ironic that the last item on the list for cutbacks should be sports, several listings behind academics. Where are our priorities, actually???
Tired of the crap
Sep 11, 2008 5:03 PM
I am thrilled the override did not pass. Misinformed older people are the reason this almost passed. The children will NOT suffer. And making them pay for field trips and sports? We already do. The school does not fund much of any of the activities these children do. We are responsible for paying their way in field trips, I have even paid for other students to go, because their families could not afford it. I believe this school could really cut back if they truly wanted. I say share a principal between the schools and get rid of the superintendant and his wife. That should save quite a bit of money right there. Also, what is wrong with turning away some of these special education students? Too much of the school's money is spent on getting kids up to par on their education that we can't help those who are over-acheivers.
to CS
Sep 11, 2008 9:44 PM
Get a grip on reality. You obviously have been away too long if you think that Paras are glorified babysitters. Currently in this district, paras instruct the reading program, which by the way, our school just received a national blue ribbon for improvement in reading, one of only 320 in the country. You obviously should stick with what you know which is not the Southern School District. You gave up the right to be so critical when you left here. Things have changed since 95, and you haven't a clue, visiting once in a while or owning property doesn't mean a darn thing.
We do have extra hands as you call them, and yes we have volunteers as well, but we also have a population of students with disabilities, behavioral issues, and language barriers. Who do you think helps to control these forms of chaos?
The bottom line here, is there is more than enough fat to trim, and it starts with the made-up and do nothing jobs. Unfortunately, the paras and teachers work way too hard for what little money they earn, and shouldn't have to suffer cuts when there are individuals within the system that are doing little or nothing to earn their paychecks.
And one more thing, why would the superintendent want to move on when he and his wife make a combined $175,000 from this district? He's got it made, he's not stupid, he tried to resign last year, but the board asked him to stay just one more year. Guess he just couldn't get out of town fast enough. Do you really think he would live here if he weren't making all that money?
Southern Patron
Sep 11, 2008 9:58 PM
I was very disappointed with the outcome of the levy override - I sincerely hope that Southern can continue to provide a quality education to the students attending. I wonder how many of the voters realized that on Tuesday morning the US Secretary of Education named Southern Elementary as a recipient of the No Child Left Behind Blue Ribbon Schools award. They are one of 6 schools in the state and one of 320 in the US to receive the award for 2008. This is a very great honor for our school, the teachers and the students. In spite of the outcome of the levy override, we need to continue to have pride in our school and continue to support it in any way that we can.
Southern Dad
Sep 11, 2008 10:24 PM
I think if the school district wasn't so greedy in wanting to utilize this override for 5 years there may have been a better chance of it passing. Asking for .30 and telling the public they only needed .20 and plan on using .20. "More than that amount will only be used if unexpected increased future costs(such as inflation) occure while the override is in effect".
Guess what people there is inflation EVERY YEAR!!!!!!!!!
We would hae seen the .20 used the very first year and then .30 the other 4 years. DUHHHHH Even a dumb SHS graduate like myself can see that one coming.
I too would LOVE to have a "sit behind a desk and make $120,000 job".
If Dr Shimeallis ready to retire then it would be at a savings of $180,000.00 per year. Since his wife would be without a job too when he leaves. Share a superintendent with another school. I can't imagine they do alot for the money ours is RAKING in.
Its about time the district needs to have an independent auditor trim the waste from the district.
Have much more to express but will save it for another discussion
Thank you and GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!

The students won't suffer its the pocket books of the staff that will have to take the hit. Don't want to teach , move down the road. Jobs are hard to find and I am sure there are teachers coming out of collage who would love to have A JOB i this weak economy!!!!!!!!!!!!
May have to drive the same car ore new truck for 2 years instead of one.

I will take my hat off to the teachers who I see working another job to make ends meet and aren't sitting around whining and waiting for a hand out. You have my utmost respect!!!!!!!!
Southern Grad
Sep 12, 2008 7:06 AM
As a former grad and a land owner in both Lancaster and Gage Counties, I continually get frustrated with the tax issues that face the folks of Wymore.

My friends and family might have considered voting "yes" to this had the school asked PRIOR to the tax increase for the pool. Was there no forethought that went into this? Did the school suddenly get into this bind? I think not.

Let's also consider the money that the school pays for insurance. From what I understand the staff of Wymore Southern have %100 insurance paid. This is unheard of in government and private industries. If we are going to cut funding lets start there!

My mom taught me as a young child to "do with what I have" I think it's time that others work with the funds they have.
many issues
Sep 12, 2008 11:40 AM
To Wymore Grad and others: take a hard look at those so called cuts they made. One cut was a custodial position that was created for a staff member no longer in need of his past position and then was cut when he moved on to another school to teach. The administrator position (athletic director) that was so called cut was a created position for the new principal, making $72,000 a year to start with no experience, to get him some so called administrative experience which now is just part of his duties as principal and which in prior years was handled by a teacher/coach as part of their duties but yet someone felt we needed for the last couple years to pay a full salary to. Issues and more issues in this school just keep coming up that really aren't as good as they seem to be to quite a few people in this community. Some people need to break away from the schools little clique they have and take a good look at the whole picture.
Benifits
Sep 12, 2008 2:04 PM
This is one time when you have to remember location,location,location. You have to be carful when comparing jobs in Wymore to other locations just due to the number of qualified people available to take the job. You may have to pay more or offer better benifits to make sure you are still getting qualified staff.
Southern School Supporter
Sep 12, 2008 5:18 PM
why should staff have to pay for their own insurance when every other school in the US has it as a benefit. When I looked for a job, I looked at the benifit package along with the salary, if I didn't like it, I explored other areas. Of course there are plenty teachers coming out of college who need jobs but I'll bet they take the job with the best benefit package
heres a thought
Sep 12, 2008 10:09 PM
Okay so we've brought up the benefits and insurance issue. So let's say I'm a single teacher who has been teaching at Wymore for 10 years and don't plan to have a family and then we have a new teacher come in or even a current teacher that has a husband/wife and three children. Now I would have concerns about why I'm only getting insurance for myself while this new/current teacher is getting insurance for themself plus four other people which is added cost to the school for the insurance and also a benefit I would not be getting. Now the question, to make it fair why isn't that new/current teacher with a family paying for insurance for the family part of it? I'm sure it cost more to insure the family than it is an individual. So let's say we start making those teachers who have a family pay part of the premium for family coverage and only pay for full premium on the teacher.

Example:

50 teachers all together, 10 are single and 40 have families so now we start making those with families pay a premium of $100 a month or $50 every two weeks for their family to be insured. 40 families x $100 = $4000 x 12 months = $48,000

Hummmmm now we've created some revenue to help cut costs and make it more equal for all the teachers and also since the teachers make it seem they are so concerned about the students they won't mind paying since it might save cutting out some programs. Teachers with families probably won't like this idea since it would come out of their pockets instead of the taxpayers.
Thoughts
Sep 13, 2008 8:35 AM
$120,000/yr. Come on folks this is getting out of hand for Supt. pay for a district of this size. Yes it took time and education to get this position but not for the Southern School District. You people are asking about what comparable school districts are making. There are superintendants of schools near Kansas City and Omaha with student populations of over 6,000 students that are making around the $130,000/yr mark. As for the principal position. Where do you start? This guy just started teaching a few years back, all of the sudden we have an athletic director, and then wow here he is principal. I guess when you spouse gets on the school board and helps persuade peoples votes for him you can get the job. Of course there hasn't been a lacking in participation of the Southern School clique. $72,000/yr that is impressive. Maybe he can throw all the parties now and be that great example for the students.

Insurance:
If the district could find ways to save money and be able to keep 100% insurance that would be great. With teachers salaries this is a benefit they deserve. However with the majority of the public not working for a city/county/state government they don't understand that paying 100% is unusual. Within the political system you are always paying something. If the teachers had to pay for 20% they should be excited because when you are paying for 80% out of your pocket you get a little bit of a wake up call and there is nothing you can do about it.
About additions
Sep 13, 2008 7:20 PM
If "Wymore Grad" was referring to my post about what may have been added, I'm saying what the public may see and not know where the $ came from. Some examples may be the constructing of new garages/storage at both schools, most recently the Raider trailer for speech/drama team, and part-time secty that became full time. I'm sure the public has seen more additions or what they may think are additions..but these are just a few examples.
just a thought
Sep 13, 2008 7:29 PM
How about compensating a employee that actually lives in the district or better yet pays property tax in the district? It's mostly the teachers on staff that don't live within the district, don't send their children to our schools and don't attend the after school activities.
To patron
Sep 13, 2008 7:41 PM
I don't believe the list of possibly cuts were in any order. Let's face it though parents/ students don't seem to be optioning out of the school district so that they can take a certain course of study that we no longer offer. It seems to be for sports or an elective opportunity especially at the secondary level. Meaning you cut a business class, who cares just give me enough credits to graduate, but you cut football, watch out!!!
Southern Patron
Sep 14, 2008 4:31 PM
This has been interesting dialogue about Southern's school levy and the community. We are farmer taxpayers and don't have kids in school there anymore, but we believe it is important to support the school. Children are our future. It is also a wonderful thing that Nebraska law allows school choice so parent's can option their children in schools that provide the programs and curriculum that meet their needs.

Please understand that with the many mandates and the NSEA teacher's union, the school board has their hands tied on many decisions. Having said that, District patrons need to trust the school board and administration. They are there to represent patrons and not their self-interests. Teachers' and administrator's spouses and anyone in a paid position with the school (such as coaches) should never be elected to the board. And administrators should not be allowed to have spouses and siblings that work for the school.

I think there's been some very good lessons learned here over time. Let's encourage administrators and the board to do everything in their power to maintain academic and vocational programs, do more with distance learning, and continue the award winning efforts at the Southern Elementary in reading and math. The diverse needs of Southern students must be the main concern. If programs are cut, that will just feed the momentum for parents and students to look elsewhere for their education.
Concerned about comments
Sep 15, 2008 4:29 PM
While I will not claim to know all that goes on in, out, and around the school, I do know that the trailer that will be used by drama and music was NOT purchased through school funds but through a grant.
Southern School Supporter
Sep 15, 2008 5:40 PM
Maybe we have teachers from other districts because there isn't enough teachers in this district to fill the teaching positions in Wymore/Blue Springs. Just be glad we have a school in this town that we are trying to better. No school, no town. This town has lost enough, let's not lose our school too. As far as the school board member and an administrator, the school board member is resigning due to her husbands position so as not to have any interference with any decisions.
Another thought
Sep 15, 2008 6:27 PM
The Southern levy override has seemed to stir a lot of emotions in people who otherwise remain silent until they are affected personally. How sad that this population doesn’t want to be responsible for making those choices in the first place, as is obvious by the number of people choosing not to put their name on ballots for board of education seats. Instead they choose to criticize the people they have elected to make those decisions regarding spending. They also fail to gather the correct facts and figures before they infiltrate others with their assumptions.

The Southern board has had some tough decisions to make, including the one to proceed with the levy overrde. They have been criticized for decisions they have made, including administrator and teacher salaries and benefits by those who continue to dream up fictitious facts and over-inflated figures. Even though there were several ill-attended informational sessions and newspaper articles trying to educate the public, most people chose to form their own opinions rather than collect the true facts, particularly in regards to the salaries and benefits topic. Check around and see how the Southern teaching staff compares to area schools in that respect. You would be surprised to learn that many schools smaller in size than ours have starting base salaries higher and also pay their teachers’ entire health insurance packages. This is no news flash. It is how most Nebraska public schools operate.

The Southern administration has also been very proactive in seeking out other sources of revenue as is evident in the number of federal grants that have been awarded to the district over the past few years. I would guess that the benefits gained from those funds would more than offset a large portion of administrative salary costs.

There is also speculation that there were some “NO” votes from patrons who regularly take advantage of the facilities and equipment made available from the P.E. grant; have children or grandchildren benefiting from the success of the Reading grant; or take a little pride in the appearance of our buildings from improvements made from the Renovation grant.

What seems to some patrons as “fat” are actually enhancements to our district that have been obtained by federal funds that are “up for grabs” by school districts all over the country. The fact that our administration and board have pursued these shows that they are trying to best serve the needs of the district and its students by utilizing those resources when available.

Hopefully they will now be able to come together and make the right choices for the decision the taxpayers have made. The voters have spoken. It’s unfortunate that it might be at the expense of those who deserve it the most---our kids and their future.
sickened southern mom
Sep 15, 2008 11:07 PM
Let's face it, positions have been created throughout the entire school for years, from the AD/Standards Administrator for a future principal to finish his education, to the created IT/website adminstrator, to the positions that started out as part time and grew into full time, they are abundant. Let's get our acts together and use some common sense for a change to get the costs down. We don't need a superintendent, and 2 principals. We don't need 2 secretaries in each school, and a "support staff" for the superintendent. I know the students of the school are going to suffer here, it's already started. I find it offensive that children are being thrown in front of the bus, so to speak. I hope the greed of the administration isn't too much that they cannot sleep at night, or take those big fat paychecks all the way to the bank!
Just another sickened Southern parent
Sep 16, 2008 2:11 PM
There have been many comments regarding health insurance coverage, qualified teachers, and the need for Paras. I do not believe in the Paras or the other 50 moms who have jobs in the Elementary school because they cannot seem to leave their kids alone. What happened to one teacher per class? These classes are the same size as ours were. No bigger. The teachers did it then without a Para or some other helper in the class. Insurance coverage: 100% coverage is completely unheard of anymore. It just is not something a company can do...so why can a school system as small as ours do it? I also don't believe it shows too much faith in our school when our new "principal" goes out and buys a new boat and new truck with his newly acquired job description. That's almost like shoving it in our faces that we as southern school supporters are nothing but a joke.

Everyone talks about our overworked and underpaid teachers. This is Wymore/Blue Springs...what other type of job can these teachers get that they are available ALL summer for their children? I would love to be paid for a year's worth of work and only put in 8 1/2 months worth and stay home with my kids.
Southern School Supporter
Sep 17, 2008 9:05 AM
Some of you people are pathetic. This is not a personal issue, this is a school district issue. Is it not the administrators faults that they make what they do? No, that had to be approved somewhere by someone else. Why aren't you people talking about the "good old boys" school board. They are the ones approving these salaries. As for having a principle that is new, what is the issue there. A couple teachers in your district take the time and effort to go to school to further their education for administrative positions and then receives them and you people complain about it. Would you rather all the teachers not further their educations? I personally think it was a good idea to put these two people in as administrators. They have been teaching and coaching in the district and know the students. Whether they have been teaching 20 years or 5 - what difference does it make? This is a small town and everyone has there own little "clique", if the administrators don't fall into yours - then everyone in yours will have a problem with them. Who cares - let them do their jobs. Everyone needs to start worrying about the education your children are getting instead of the administrators.
Southern School Supporter
Sep 18, 2008 8:14 PM
to just another sickened Southern Parent, if you don't like what you do, go back to school and become a teacher. Thats one of the perks of the job, summers off. I sure wouldn't want my kids to go to school all year just so the teachers have to work all year. Anyway if you haven't noticed, a lot of the teachers work summer jobs. And I'll tell you where these teachers can get another job, in another school district! Why don't they, and we can just close down SOUTHERN SCHOOLS.
To Sickend Southern Parents
Sep 18, 2008 8:20 PM
If you would sooo love to work 8 and a half months out of a year then why dont you go to school for 5 years get a degree and do it! Many of the schools teachers have gone to school for over 5 years furthering their education and paying for it with student loans to better themselves for the children of our community. In fact if Im correct in saying, I beleive it is required by the state for them to do so. As far as working 8 1/2 months out of the year and 8 hour days. That is a joke. Drive by the schools at 3:30 and see if all the cars are gone. You will notice that many nights teachers are working past their scheduled times and many are even there early in the morning. Teachers do not have 3 months off in the summer. Maybe you should take a look at their schedules at the end of the year and notice all the extra workshops and other conferences they are required to be a part of.
As far as Paras... you cant even compare students today to the students of 10 or 15 years ago. Their is a lot less parenting going on now and who do we expect to take care of the problems with our children....the school teachers and PARAS. A counselors job has been kept in the school because of all the personal issues with families that there are now.
There are so many people talking so many bad things about the teachers and administration in this school system..optioning out is an option and guess what? you dont have to pay for it so your welcome to this FREE service.
Teachers choose their profession and I'm sure that most dont go into it for the pay! And you are right they can't get any other job because they went into teaching and that IS there job.
You people need to find something more productive to do with your time.
And to the concerned citizen who is sending out all the letters in the community. Be an adult. If you have a problem tell someone to their face!
Um...know your facts
Sep 19, 2008 6:43 AM
First off, teachers are NOT paid for a years worth of work...they are paid for 180 days, so if that sounds good to you, go to school and get a teaching certificate so you can also get paid for 180 days! Second, many work more than that getting ready for different activities, including into the summer for preparations for the next year, and they attend workshops.

Second, yes, most companies do provide insurance packages for those employees with at least 4-year degrees. In fact, many still provide it for those without degrees. That is a huge attraction for employees; with that said, the teachers health insurance is all that is provided. This does not include insurance for dental or vision.

Third, I love the comments about special ed and paras. Yes, the schools are obligated to educate everyone and accept everyone in their district, including special education students! What, those kids don't deserve an education? I for one was offended by that statement as I have a child who is a special education student.

Fourth, regarding the paras. When I went to school, special education students were not out in classrooms, so we had no need for paras; however, they are now out in the regular classes, and the teachers do need the help so that ALL students benefit from the class, including the regular education students.

Finally, it is not up to us how the principal does or does not spend his money. I believe his wife works also. I don't believe he was shoving anything in our faces, but one might think that if they were jealous.
Hello
Sep 19, 2008 10:16 AM
To: just another sickened parent - you obviously have a lot of pent of emotions......What does having faith in a administrator have to do what he purchases? What is he shoving in our faces? That he has a boat and a truck? So he got a raise - is that his fault? Don't think he set his own salary!!! If you don't think they need paras in the classroom - get a clue. When you went to school they had special education rooms where special education students went. Today those students are in the classroom. How do you expect a teacher to teach a room full of students and also deal with a student or two that needs all the extra help they do.
The teachers ARE underpaid and overworked. Do you think they do absolutely nothing for school through the summer? I know many of them that work on lots of things for school and also take classes to keep up their credentials - all through the summer. If you are mad because they can spend time with their children maybe you should go to school and get a teaching degree then you can spend the summers with your children. Then go on and continue your education for a few more years, get an administration job and then you can buy a new truck and boat and won't need to be jealous of everyone else!!!!
Give me a break
Sep 20, 2008 2:32 PM
FYI- the "new" truck is a 2001 & purchased long before the principal job. The "new" boat is used. This is a school issue but some have made it a personal property issue. Obviously there are a lot of people not smart enough to figure out that admin do NOT set their own salaries & when a board member would benefit from a decision that member does not vote. Here's a little piece of info you might want to jump on--- I just saw a teacher driving a "new" vehicle!!!! You better hunt them down & attack. The district is clearly paying teachers too much if they can afford to buy a new car! I bet that teacher even drove the kids to the pool every day all summer long. Wow! $40,000 in student loans & they think they can just lay around at the pool all summer!? What is this world coming to? Grow up people and quit complaining b/c someone else went to college and is now reaping the well deserved benefits.
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Don Smith of Wymore signs in with election workers at the Community Center in Wymore Tuesday evening to cast a vote in the Wymore Southern Public Schools property tax override election.
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